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Share your thoughts on 'A Father's Promise'...

Hey everyone! I'm the associate producer for the documentary "A Father's Promise."

12 years ago NBC News produced "Labor Day," an award-winning documentary about the alarming rise of inner city children growing up without fathers. It began with the deliveries of three babies born over a 72-hour period at University Hospital in Newark, New Jersey, one of the places where the rate of absentee fathers was especially high. These fathers all made promises to be there with for their child as he or she grew up.

Now, MSNBC has gone back to find out whether these three fathers kept that promise.

Check your local listings for the next time "A Father's Promise" will be airing.

Also in the documentary, a cross-section of African-Americans, including NBC's Al Roker and Tiki Barber, come together for a round-table discussion of the situations and issues presented in the program. Check out some extra clips of the roundtable discussion that you won't get to see in the documentary.

You can watch the original documentary, 'Labor Day,' here.

For clips and exclusive web extras check out: http://afatherspromise.msnbc.com

I thought this was a very compelling documentary and I'd love to hear any thoughts that you have about it!

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{"commentId":5161121,"authorDomain":"legacy-capital"}

As an African-American father of 2, it is particularly painful and sad to see this aspect of our lives chronicled for television. Please mention that only 10-15 miles away, another African-American father was there for the birth of his son, and I am still proudly and resolutely on the job!

My son just turned 13, and it has not always been an easy road in the suburbs either. I have at times fought to keep my career going, I have lost my house and both cars, I have been a white collar professional, and I have delivered resteraunt food. I have seen the legacy of absentee fathers and I have caught myself being judgemental and hypercritical. Perhaps because it is so hard to find positive imagery to show my son that is also currently being produced (Cosby Show is on Nickelodeon as far as he is concerned) without cursing and extremes (MTV Cribs - or we can watch the local news and see who was arrested today.....).

These 3 stories need to be told, but more desperately, they need to be counterbalanced in some way and to some extent. Those who kept the promise as a simple life expectation need to be seen as well. I have seen hard times, and it still is not easy for me, but I can't quit on my family. I have broken promises to my children, and it has hurt me deeper than I could ever explain. I have seen them achieve and succeed as well, and nothing in the world has made me more proud and happy.

I have compassion for these 3 families - absolutely. I am just asking for the camera to show the Fathers who have kept the promise as well.

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Reply#1 - Tue Feb 3, 2009 8:18 PM EST
{"commentId":5253110,"authorDomain":"advancetutoring1"}

I agree that is is difficult for use to watch these type of shows, I think sometimes we don't realize how much of a problem it is. I have always had my dad there for me and so I forget at times that many of my friends don't have their fathers.

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#1.1 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 8:33 PM EST
{"commentId":5254102,"authorDomain":"tlpassociates2020"}

these men today have to learn to work hard to take care of themselves and there families and get as much education as they can so they can be a productive citizen a mind is a terrible thing to waste its no place for a man (real men ) to be making a career going in and out of jail and expect every one else to take care of there responsibilites its not fare to us tax payers we are already going through enough in this economy today

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    #1.2 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:28 PM EST
    {"commentId":5267185,"authorDomain":"janalerner"}

    Hey there,

    Thank you for your comment! I hope you got a chance to watch the show. You definitely make a good point when you bring up the need to tell the stories of fathers who HAVE kept the promises they made to their children. Tiki Barber, an NBC correspondent also asks that question during the round-table discussion, when he asks "Are we doing a disservice by highlighting all these negative stories?"

    You might find this part of the show very interesting, because a lot of questions such as this one come up during the round-table discussion.

    You can also check out some web extras at:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28877797#28877797

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      #1.3 - Mon Feb 9, 2009 4:09 PM EST
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      {"commentId":5170441,"authorDomain":"kenneth-braswell"}

      I'm in agreement with BigDogDaddy. There are too many shows highlighting particually "Black" Fathers as mostly "America's Biggest Problem." There is a growing grassroots effort here in New York that has mostly gone unnoticed by our own media. In fact, New York is at the forefront of the Responsible Fatherhood Movement to help address the mutiple issues that fathers faced in a society where the economic is placing critical burdens of Fathers, Mothers and Children. There needs to be a connection between these kind of shows and the people doing the work on the ground. It is great that celebrities are beginning to talk more about this issue, but it does nobody any good if they continue to have these conversations in isolation of those who struggle to be noticed for providing services to fathers and organizations who find it hard to indentify financial support and resources. We need to find a way to allow the triumph of fatherhood be an example in turning around the tragic tide of fatherlessness.

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      Reply#2 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 10:59 AM EST
      {"commentId":5253981,"authorDomain":"troublet"}

      i agree with you on your lack of exposure of positive things occurring with fathers actually fathering their children, but the unfortunate truth is abundantly aware in the oppositon. with group homes, youth facilities, prisons and morgues filled with youth of color who have failed due to lack of oversight by men who are not existent in their lives and women who don't know how, or refuse to, raise the children they generate.

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        #2.1 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:22 PM EST
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        {"commentId":5171484,"authorDomain":"bobneve1"}

        I will either watch or record this episode. I am interested to see the results. I do believe I watched the original airing 12 years ago. Either way I will watch. I was divorced after 3 years of marriage and produced a son. I lived on 3/4 of my salary for 15 years faithfully paying child support without missing or being garnished. My relationship with my son today is awesome. He is a Sgt in the Marines and father himself. He realizes that during this time in his life the check was always there. I never owned a home or had new car until after he turned 18 and joined the Corps. This should be interesting

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        Reply#3 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 11:42 AM EST
        {"commentId":5178057,"authorDomain":"bluefiretwo"}

        I am particularly worried as well. As an African-American father of two grown sons. I have never left there side. As a college graduate of several major universities and as a college professor, computer programmer, consultant, and even a teacher at the high school level. I can tell you I've seen father's who have been there for the kids especially their sons. After I have had my interactions with their fathers and mothers I made it my business to ensure the father's and I had the same mindset for their sons education. I am a minister today with a sincere desire for this documentary to impact the father's of all races not just black. It's bothers me when specials like this focus on just the black man. There are more fathers not having a positive effect on their children besides black. Please don't let this be the only documentary you show about families without fathers. Make sure you show the ones who have done well by their sons and daughters from the neighborhood. In closing, let me be clear my sons have never been to jail, do not have any children, and are in their junior and senior years of college in Maryland. To all the fathers out there regardless of race, I encourage you to stand by your children regardless of the relationship you have with the mothers. I say to mothers out there. Stop using your children as weapons for the fathers. It will continue to breed contempt and problems for you and the children later regardless of what you tell you daughters or sons. They will still love their fathers just as they should.

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        Reply#4 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 3:58 PM EST
        {"commentId":5253618,"authorDomain":"trose"}

        you are so right...........we know this story to well.........lets stay on MSNBC to show the positive in the black community.........I did have mixed feelings about the show.....My mind is changing

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        #4.1 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:07 PM EST
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        {"commentId":5180832,"authorDomain":"rwhite"}

        As a single mom and have to say I am really looking forward to seeing the show, I had my son at 25, his father and I got married when he was 2, we had my daughter when I was 31 and we had to leave him when she was 6mts old because he got caught up on drugs and I knew that was not way for me and my kids to live, so I packed up and move to another apartment, I took a job as a baby sitter to support my kids and be able to be there for them, my husband have been in and our of jail ever since, he had no relationship with is kids who are now 16 and 11. We are all doing fine, my daughter had a very hard time not having her father around and my son has his time when he vents about it. As a single mom I knew it was my job to make sure that my kids had the right influences in there lives, I never smoke, drank, I live a clean life and serve God faithfully and so do they.

        It’s the hardest thing in the world that I have ever done and my job is not finish yet, there are times I wish I had the support of my husband I wish he loves us enough to do the right thing but he didn’t so now I have a very nice job we live in a nice home and I thank God every day for blessing me with them.

        I only wish men knew the damage they do to the kids they leave behind, I wish they would understand the pain they cause because no matter what you do you can never replace them no matter how hard you try there is always a void.

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        Reply#5 - Wed Feb 4, 2009 5:40 PM EST
        {"commentId":5213433,"authorDomain":"Dad01"}

        As a DAD, I have been kept from son for 16 of his 20 years, not by my choice. His mother has bad mouthed me and poisoned his mind. Why don't you do a segment, story on the Dad's who are shunned by the judicial system and kept from seeing their children. I have never been late with my Child Support and now College Contribution for my son.............THEY ARE NOT ALL ABSENTEE FATHERS BY CHOICE!!! After all the money is gone(wasted on fighting back and forth) and your spirit has been broken, what else is there to do?????? My HEART has been torn, broken and damaged by all this and the VOID will be taken to my grave!

        p.s. There are also absentee MOM"S.............it is a two way street!

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        Reply#6 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 9:51 AM EST
        {"commentId":5253248,"authorDomain":"getpaid37"}

        I AGREE 100% Iam going I have been dealing with the samething. And it really hurts.

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        #6.1 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 8:44 PM EST
        {"commentId":5253363,"authorDomain":"advancetutoring1"}

        You are correct in saying their are absentee mom. As a woman I had an absentee mom! I am still dealing with this but my fathers love made all the difference. Children need both parents love. I am sorry that you have been beaten down by the system. One day your child will know the truth!

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        #6.2 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 8:52 PM EST
        {"commentId":5256321,"authorDomain":"drivers29"}

        Great documetary, well the first sixteen minutes anyway, I'll watch the rest later. I will tell you all the truth, so we can end this debate once and for all. "Don't get a job, rent, and stay on welfare"[FoxNEWS] (Please don't respond to this comment by saying how bad Fox is and that you never watch it, who cares). Simple, easy no need to re-read. Please take a chance and read the Willie Lynch(sp?) letter, it is not a myth. It details the "making of a slave", the mentality, that will last for generations. For generations the black woman has been told/shown that she does not need the black man to raise her children. To protect her children, the gov't/police will... (Warren v. D.C. S.C. 1984) Every since the end of slavery black men have been under-employed. Since that time there has always been a concept of pulling the black man away from his family. Now we've turned the page because of President Obama, yes and no. I clicked on reply in this man's comment because he is right. The U.S. government has always operated a covert mission to remove the black man from his children. (Turn off you computer if you are going to respond, "...black men only want to blame the gov't"). Because white men have always understood "legacy", teaching your son the ways of the world, something a woman can not teach. Please forgive me, this topic is near and dear to my heart. I want to stop all of you people who have never been in this situation to STOP, and STOP NOW! Stop talking, stop blogging unless you are capable of dealing with the truth. Welfare will pay a woman's rent, gas, lights, buy a car (up to $1,200), water, medical bills, and food; but she can't have a man around. The child's father should be able to do that, right? Most times NO! "...you should think about that before you have the baby!" Right! women AND men. Or boys AND girls. You watched the frustation on the one guy's face when he detailed his baby mama saying, "..no money, no daughter..." How about when the "State of ...?" says that. When you go down to the FOTC, on day one, to even claim filiation for your child, they hand you a bill for $5,000. In the state of Michigan, in the 3rd quarter of 2004 they decided that this "confinement fee" should be split 50/50 between unwed parents. If you marry, the fee is waived. Funny story; I spent two weeks in jail and still had to pay $125.00 to close the case. TRUE STORY. They didn't "believe" we were married, eventhough the office of Vital Statistics was across the hall. This isn't even the whole story. Before you flame me: I am happily married with three children, two girls 11 and 7 and a son thats 4. Both girls on the Honor Roll at school and my son will crush any 4 year old in America. Ironicly, I'm a "stay at home DAD".

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        #6.3 - Mon Feb 9, 2009 12:54 AM EST
        {"commentId":5256561,"authorDomain":"drivers29"}

        I could dispel these lies all night but, I will give you two more true stories. The first one is about my sister and my nephew. My nephew's father had not paid child support for X amount of years. The FOTC/police caught up with him and he was able to pay $500.00 to get out of jail for the child-support warrant. My sister received a check for thirty-dollars ($30.00) the rest was for "administrative fees". Now here is a first hand story. I was sent a notice saying I owed $5,000 dollars for the "confinement fee" for my wife. I responded with notice of the new changes in the law, and just to be a jerk I sent receipts of clothes, toys and medical bills that I had paid for my daughter that far exceeded $5,000. I was sent a letter in response that said, "We were not concerned about what you have paid for your child, that bill reflects what you owe the State of Michigan."

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        #6.4 - Mon Feb 9, 2009 1:39 AM EST
        {"commentId":5261443,"authorDomain":"bucksr469"}

        I cannot agree with you more. My son has been and is going through the very same ordeal. The judge turns a blind eye to the mothers antics and allows it to continue. These young boys (five and three) are so torn between their loyalty to their mother and the love of their dad. It's awful for them. The very family court that is to protect these boys and all children does not. The legal fees are high and the end result always the same, she wins. And who will pay the ultimate price down the road, these children. When one parent wants to co-parent effectivley and the other throws bricks at you at every corner, what do you do? I have tried with no success to get help, there is none. My son will not walk away, but many fathers cave under the mounting pressure. Who do I blame? The Family Court Judges, who are well aware of the chronic conflict and do nothing, nothing!

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        #6.5 - Mon Feb 9, 2009 12:05 PM EST
        {"commentId":5331520,"authorDomain":"spongejod"}

        I couldn't agree more. I'm still amazed that the "deadbeat dad" myth continues, in large part by documentaries like these. I know they're out there, but these kinds of stories do a real disservice to the many men (like my husband) who have to fight endlessly against mothers using the kids as pawns during and after a divorce, just to physically and emotionally be part of their lives. Why doesn't NBC take a look at these women to see who is really standing in the way of fathers being part of their children's lives and the court system that lets them get away with it?

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          #6.6 - Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:44 PM EST
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          {"commentId":5213544,"authorDomain":"webber2943"}

          I am disgusted with the attacks on fathers but never have I heard anything about that mothers do to the children in a divorce. I have tried to visit my son when I am suppose to oredered from the court, my ex blocked me. I leave messages on the phone to talk to him, but have found he does not recieve them. I challenge anyone out there to view my history. Never any problems in school growing up, in work never written up for any problems, in the courts never one time was I ever reported for domestic violence, or any other type of crime for that matter. Yet from my ex being upset that I moved on and now have remarried she has gone and filed protection orders to keep me from my children when we first seperated. She asked the court to take my weekend time away from me and my son, and where I had no money to pay for a lawyer the judge changed it to every other saturday. Still I tried to have contacts when I am suppose to, but she blocks me. When I take her to court nothing happens because I have learned that it is very true that women in general are given more then men are in court. I sit here and listen to how poor the children are without a father, and how the dad is not there in the children's life. You don't do a report on how the dad tries to be there for his child but is blocked by a selfish and mean hearted woman who is hurt because after a 17 year marriage I filed for personal reasons. No one wants to help me, instead I have to just live with pictures of my children and only wish to give them love.

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          Reply#7 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 9:56 AM EST
          {"commentId":5213899,"authorDomain":"gwenth1"}

          I agree with you 100% my brother had the same thing happen to him and now I am dating a man dealing with the same thing. Maybe you two can get together and discuss you frustrations.

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            #7.1 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 10:11 AM EST
            {"commentId":5253377,"authorDomain":"getpaid37"}

            America scared to report or have a show about what black women do.

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            #7.2 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 8:52 PM EST
            {"commentId":5253651,"authorDomain":"trose"}

            What do black women do?

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            #7.3 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:08 PM EST
            {"commentId":5253951,"authorDomain":"tlpassociates2020"}

            i dont understand men these days. how can you have a relationship with someone and you end up having a child but expect for the mother and the state to take care of there responsibility. most in up in jail dont learn from the mistakes they have made but then you end up doing the same thing again making a career of going in and out of jail then they expect for every one to feel sorry for them why not try to hold down a job and go to school to better yourself most do not even try to find a job and in up back in jail even if you have to start by working in a grocery store the point is you did not even try you have no relationship with your kids and you keep producing kids you try for each generation to make better then what you had

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              #7.4 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:21 PM EST
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              {"commentId":5213584,"authorDomain":"emtrevino07"}

              I am sad that they talk about the numbers of dads that are out of there childs lives. I know theres some that dont want to be around I know some have mental problems and mentaly cant be there for there kids. I am a father who had my daughter for 10 years,and the only mistake I made was telling her mother I was going to the court to get child support. a week latter She filed before me and I lost all my rights to my child. I only see her once a week now and only have her every other weekend. she now spends all her free time at a babysitter or in daycare. That I pay for also. I have lost my job because they set my child suport so high. I own my own semi and between child suport,court and normal expences I couldn put fuel in my truck to run and have sence lost my truck. I have been denied every hearing to re gain my child. I am now ordered to pay child support one month in advance or report to court the first of every month to show cause. so finding work has been real hard.

              so not all fathers are away from there child by choice. some are forced to only spend so much time with them. My doughter lived with me and I lost all this because of the court system. I think I cant be the only one with this problem and feel this should be looked at. maybe then more fathers will spend more time with there kids. I know I would. I sit at home while my child spends time with a babysitter. That I pay for. any comments can e-mail me at Thanks Eloy

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              Reply#8 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 9:58 AM EST
              {"commentId":5213624,"authorDomain":"kveal"}

              Dear Mr. Roker,

              I really love this piece, I just heard it on the T.V. I am sure you will get a lot of people writing about their stories. Guess what here is mine, I have been divorced for 3 yrs after a 27 yr marriage. My daughters are now 21 and 18 still a need to have their father in their life. He lives in Florida and I with my 18 yr live in Cleveland or Solon. He moved to Florida even before the divorce was thought of, so I found out my youngest had an abandoment issues from him. I have been working with my ex to make sure the connection with our children is strong. I have always believed this is so important for them to be able to handle a mature relationship with a man being the love for them down the road. It also helps to be talking to the ex and this shows stability as well as we can for a broken household. I am happy to tell you that my ex is making a better effort of calling more often, he also picked up the youngest to visit the oldest at college this past Nov. This was the first time since she was there. He also drove the oldest to Seattle, Washington for her transferr out there. She is finishing her schooling at The Art Institute of Seattle. My ex is also coming next Sat. to be my youngest's Valentine date for the evening and the next day. He has business around here. It makes me very happy that this is happening. I should also clarify that the girls do go to visit him in Florida for holidays but that isn't always enough but at least something. I just wanted to share this with you Mr. Roker, thank you.

              Karin

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              Reply#9 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 10:00 AM EST
              {"commentId":5213665,"authorDomain":"gracefulone00"}

              I saw the clip on the Today Show and was a bit miffed. My husband was a veteran of the Vietnam War. He served three tours over there. He was totally disabled because of his PTSD. I'm not saying anything was easy for him but he became a great father to our children. As our youngest grew so did he. They were both babies in their own ways and I knew that. It took all that my husband had to be here but he did it because he loved us. He had never really known unconditional love before and struggled daily with his demons and the life we made together. My point is that he did it. It was something he really wanted and needed in his life. It was HIS commitment. Maybe in a way it was to make amends for all he regretted in his life. Sadly he was taken freom us this past December. He was a silent advocate to other vets about getting treatment and to never stop trying. If Heru's dad can't see what he is missing then he hasn't opened an eye. I know that everyone is different and deals with things in their own way, but it doesn't dismiss the responsibilities we all hold. Having a child is a choice anymore. Write the poems but also live the life and get the help and become the person that everyone around you knows you are deep inside. Nothing will be easy but it can be done if it is really wanted. My husband was proof of that. I am trying to carry on his love and will to help others will this disability and I truely hope that Heru's father finds his path.

              Always,

              Grace

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              Reply#10 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 10:01 AM EST
              {"commentId":5214558,"authorDomain":"cdh1500"}

              Yes it is terrible. Please note - there are millions of fathers around the country and hundreds of thousands in the "Great state of New York" who are routinely shut out of thier children's lives, held hostage by moms who make false allegations and alienate their children with the full support of the gender biased Family Court system. It is a Zoo. Please do not take my word for it. In 2005 the state's highest ranking judge called for reform hearings whereby recommendations were set forth. Here we are in 2009 and NOT ONE REFORM was instituted - why because it is a racket, with special interests, lawyers and politicians laughing all the way to the bank $$$.

              It would be wonderful if Mr. Roker and the good people and CNBC ran a story on this and help expose this big open dirty secret.

              Respectfully

              Chris Halbal, New York

              by, the results of which resulted in

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                Reply#11 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 10:37 AM EST
                {"commentId":5214744,"authorDomain":"sdb123"}

                I was watching the Today show while they were talking about the "epidemic" of absentee fathers. I live in Michigan and I've been a police officer for 17 years. I see the effects of absentee fathers everday. But, when I found myself in a custody dispute, I was advised by my attorney (a retired circuit court judge), that because I was unmarried, I had almost no chance of getting joint custody of my daughter. I was shocked that a man who had a career, had been a full time dad for three years, has a nice home, a camper for summer family fun, a good vehicle and pays his bills, could not get joint custody. I found several bills in the state legislature to force judges to give joint custody unless the father didn't want it, couldn't possibly do it due to geographical issues or was clearly not able to be a good father. However, I also found that none of these bills have ever passed. When I talked to a friend of mine who is a current probate judge, he said he wasn't for the bill because it took the judges descretion away. I have had a unique opportunity to have contacts and relationships with people who have made decisions about custody and are currently making decisions about custody issues. I am completely frustrated by a society who clamers about a problem of absentee fathers that is at "epidemic" proportions but yet, we have a court system here in Michigan (and likely in most other states), that blocks fathers from being there for their kids. Through other conversations with court staff & friends working in the system, I've learned that the mentality of the courts is that fathers don't want to be fathers and therefore, the judges side with the mothers. It's breed into the judges from the beginning and that mentality is hard to break when the law is written to be equal but provides loop holes that allow the judges descretion to impede the parents rights to the point that the system perpetuates the problem of fathers being absent or less involved than they could be. Until a new law is passed that eliminates discretion based on errant, prejudiced lines of thought, men will continue to be blocked by a system that claims the absent men are the problem. More fathers today want to be active fathers but are stymied and forced out. I spend every extra minute I can get with my daughter. FYI: I have a friend who is a State Trooper in the neighboring county and he was married. It made little difference for him either. What we've both found out is that it depends on the judge you get and what kind of day the man/woman is having. We really need a law that eliminates the inconsistency and makes it clear cut. Not only would fathers have a chance to eliminate the "epidemic" but we would also un-clog the court system in the area of custody disputes/divorces. Not all fathers are absent by choice. I believe many fathers bang their heads against the wall because the judicial system is kicking their tail.

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                Reply#12 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 10:43 AM EST
                {"commentId":5285086,"authorDomain":"eshantell"}

                Hello - I read your post and my husband is experiencing this same issues with his child's mother. I live in Atlanta, GA and I want to make a movement but I don't know how. Would you be willing to get some advice from your lawyer friends or your judicial friends about how to get a bill introduced locally and ways to start a movement within my own comuunity? Please email me at . I'll be looking forward to hearing from you.

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                  #12.1 - Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:23 PM EST
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                  {"commentId":5215019,"authorDomain":"debbieblondie1"}

                  This story inspires me. I am a single mom and my life was as normal as everyone else, until my daughter was about 1 and a half years old and I realized I was in a violent relationship and decided to end it. Her dad was a part of her lifee in the beginning and saw her. and paid child support for the firsst year but then started fasing away, now he is not in her life and I know as a mom she is hurting inside and won't express her feelings to me. About a month ago I recieved a call and my daughter answered it and it and it was from a bails bond man asking us to bail her dad out of jail,. I thought it was crazy for him to ask us but the more I thought about it he didn't have anyone else.Since thaat phone call we haven't heard anything from her dad and probaly won't since I feel he can't probaly take care of himself never mind his daughter. What I want to know is how you deal with this situation? I have been trying to be the best mom I can, I have given my all to her and I mean that with all my heart, I have stopped dating, and would do anything for her. I know she loves her dad with all her heart and would love to see him again. I don't know whaaat to do? I always learned to never talk bad about the one you were with, but I am at my bottom.

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                  Reply#13 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 10:53 AM EST
                  {"commentId":5215412,"authorDomain":"lynn1"}

                  I was watching a clip on the Today Show this morning. I saw the interview Al Rocker did about a child of a mentally ill father. This was so familar to what my childhood was like. I am a child of a Bipolar father who was often absent. At times in my life he was functioning and there for me, and others he would just disappear. He would be gone for months and even years. This often lead to a call from the Va. hospital he ended up in. This would end the internal fear something terrible had happened. My heart breaks for this child because, I know all too much what it is like.

                  I grew up learning not to rely on him and felt the need to keep track of him or care for him. I was happy to see that the mother did not bash his father. This was done daily by my tired and hurt mother. It made it far worse for me and confused me. It caused strain and hurt in my relationship with my mom and I.It hurt he was never there but I knew in my heart he loved me. This mom is doing the right thing. She also needs to explain to her son, he is not his fathers keeper. If she doen't he will naturally take that on himself as keeper of his dad. That become stressful for him over his childhood years. It is too much for a child to carry.

                  As I got older I was my fathers only tie or constant. This was hard because I got all the calls from the hospitals, lawyers, or his calls from jail. I was just a teenager but had to take care of my dad. I've had to go get him from hospitals all over the country. When home coming came or my wedding it hurt he wasn't there. I saw movies or my freinds daddys bring them flowers or walk them down the isle. I began to feel cheated.

                  Over time I have learned to accept what he has to give, and not hold anger for what he doesn't have to give. My father does not have the mental or internal instinct to parent me. He just can't. I do know without a doubt he loves me, and I have to just be fine with that. I've learned you can never be angry at someone for not giving you what they do not have to give.You can only love them where they are at and for who they are. I have also learned my value as a person is not defined by if or how my parents love me.

                  The only thing I would say to this mom as advice. Would be to get a male in her childrens' life that can be relied on and active in their life. I didn't have this and I grew up with the idea men can not be depended on. This has been an ongoing issue in my marriage and friendships. I guess I don't want to have to miss them or hurt if they leave, so I keep a safe distance between my husband and friends. I really don't depend on anyone and do more than I should by myself. This really takes a toll on you. The best thing she can do is get people in his life like a mentor, and show them you can trust another to depend on them.i love my dad and when he is arround I enjoy him. when he is gone I know it is him and not me. The key to being a child of a mentally ill parent is just knowing it has nothing to do with you.

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                  Reply#14 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 11:08 AM EST
                  {"commentId":5218571,"authorDomain":"rachmill"}

                  While the issue of delinquent or uncaring fathers is an important story and was told very well in the documentary, I believe there is another side of this story that is sorely overlooked in our society – that of the loving, caring dads who are frustrated in their attempts to remain in their childrens lives because of selfish or vindictive mothers.

                  The laws surrounding divorce usually favor the mother and make it difficult for willing, wanting and loving fathers to continue being a part of their children's lives. Within my own experiences, I have seen mothers who, following divorces of their own wish, make a new life for themselves and the children, while totally discounting the relationship of the children with the biological and loving father.

                  Our society and legal system in many ways fosters and promotes an environment that often times puts barriers between the father and their children and requires herculean efforts by the fathers -- to pay child support, alimony (which requires that they work long, hard hours) and travel whatever distance the mother chooses (she has the freedom to live with the children wherever she so desires with no regard to the fathers' place of residence). These demands frequently make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for the father to participate in the childrens' daily lives. For example, how can a father attend his son's 5:30 p.m. baseball game when he works until 6:00 p.m. (a necessity dictated by harsh alimony claims) and then must spend up to two hours to get to the ball field – because the ex-wife thought it more important that she be near her boyfriend than the kids be near their father.

                  I believe absentee fathers is an issue of great import to our society, but I also believe the issue of unfair divorce/family laws, is an under-reviewed subject. Family laws must be changed to allow and promote more shared parenting opportunities before we determine and blame the issue of absentee fathers only on the fathers. There are bad fathers and there are good fathers - just as there are women who attempt to maintain shared responsibilities and women who selfishly follow their own dreams - with no regard for the fathers' role in their childrens' lives.

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                  Reply#15 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 1:00 PM EST
                  {"commentId":5219939,"authorDomain":"mgw-1"}

                  I cannot add anything to the eloquent words already spoken by Shane Brown and Hopeful For Change. Sadly, for some men, there is indeed a lack of responsibility when it comes to being there for the life they created. But for many of us, a biased Family Court system is the greatest blockade between a Father and his child. I have 2 biological children and 1 adopted daughter. I have always wanted to be a husband and father, yet I will never experience raising my children from birth through adulthood. My first child just turned 21 on February 1st, 2009. My wife and I separated when my daughter was 7 months old, and my pain is great. As I look back 20 years, I only have every other weekend to reflect upon my experiences as a father. Instead of the immense pride I should feel to see my daughter reach 21, I feel sadness for missed experiences. A relationship that isn't as close as it should be. The struggles and manipulation over the past 20 years. My greatest joy, I am ashamed to say, is that my child support obligation is now complete. When my daughter was a baby, she responded to my face and presence with a smile and laughter before anyone else, to include her mother. Now, we are often awkward around each other. I've been made to feel by my child's mother and the Family Court system, that my only worth as a Father is the amount of child support garnisheered from my paychecks.

                   

                  Children are not the Mother's property simply due to a gestation period. They are the combined results of the union between man and woman. Anything that limits a Father's involvement to anything less than 50% is a crime. Should the writer desire to, he can contact me at my e-mail address for the details of my life's experience as a Father, and my thoughts on how to improve male involvement in their children's lives.

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                  Reply#16 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 1:49 PM EST
                  {"commentId":5220266,"authorDomain":"smorant"}

                  I think the show is good; however, I urge Al Roker and MSNBC to do a show on fathers who are and have always been present for their children. I will be the first to do an interview with him. My daughters are grown, their father, my husband, has always been and continues to be one of the, if not the, most important person in their lives. They will seek him out before me. Again, I applaud Mr. Roker and MSNBC but encourage them to do a show where it is nothing but positive Dads, those who chose to raise their children through good times and bad.

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                  Reply#17 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 2:01 PM EST
                  {"commentId":5254700,"authorDomain":"originalmann"}

                  I am a 39 years old African American man that married a beautiful black woman 12 years ago and together we have "7" children 4 boys and 3 girls. Three month into my wife's first pregnancy she stopped working and have been home taking care of our family ever since. For the past 12 years I have been Husband, father and simply daddy to all of our precious children. I have consistently provided for my family EVERYDAY for as long as I have been married. I didn't miss not one birth.....not one. I work as a school teacher and share my wisdom and care for other children that unfortunitly have no father figure in the home. Mr. ROKER, DO YOU HAVE TIME FOR MY STORY?? I'm sure that I'm not the only father working and struggling to keep his family together. I'm sure that I'm not the only father that takes care of his wife and 7 children. Let the world know and hear our struggles and successes. There are countless black fathers performing the IMPOSSIBLE everyday. I am so thankful that we have an African American First Family that is the epitome of a FATHERS LOVE and a MOTHERS LOVE.

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                  #17.1 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 10:08 PM EST
                  {"commentId":5255025,"authorDomain":"trose"}

                  happy to hear your story .......if you watch MSM your story is non existant.......one way of changing the condition we are in is to show more positive stories on how a black man can make it as a married father.........I am trying to think of a black man on tv who is postivie role model for young black men who are not rappers or atheletes...........

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                  #17.2 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 10:34 PM EST
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                  {"commentId":5229891,"authorDomain":"snook-ashley"}

                  I don't understand why the story has to been based on a color. A dad is a dad and it should have nothing to do with what color your skin is. There are good dads and bad dads out in the world just the same as there are mothers.

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                    Reply#18 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 10:18 PM EST
                    {"commentId":5254659,"authorDomain":"troublet"}

                    i agree with you but you have to look at the percentages and see the glaring difference between men of color and the children they bore with the children who are actually reared by them are diametrically different.

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                      #18.1 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 10:05 PM EST
                      {"commentId":5346339,"authorDomain":"acosawa"}

                      It was based on color because so many Black children do not have relationships with their father! If 70% are born out of wedlock that automatically mean the relationship between the parents is tenuous. So long as they are getting along the parents will be a couple. If the point comes where they are not, then most often parents go their separate ways. If Dad has an income then Mom can sue for support but that does not mean the he will also be there physically.

                      I don't know if anyone has acknowledged that not every person who makes a baby REALLY wants one, so their is no desire to raise the child. Neither do they wish to remain involved with a human who has cause them so much grief (aka baby mama).

                      If a couple has married then there is often a legal and religious pressure to make the relationship work and that could make a difference. Lacking a marriage, couples fall out of like and simply move out and on. One parent or the other may wish to even avoid the kid because of their desire to distance themselves from the otjher parent. If there was no marriage the first place no attempt at a facade of getting along.

                      If "Dad" is broke there is no way he wants his ex to remind him of his inadequacy.

                      So, he doesn't show up at all.

                      Most Black kids today are born to UNwed women (even church going ones)so this

                      show explored that statistic

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                        #18.2 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:17 AM EST
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                        {"commentId":5230848,"authorDomain":"gwenth1"}

                        Not every father is absent by choice. What about those that are not on drugs or dealing with mental problems. Whats the real reason they are not allowed in there childs life????

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                          Reply#19 - Fri Feb 6, 2009 11:45 PM EST
                          {"commentId":5231741,"authorDomain":"MangerBorne"}

                          Harry Thomas, Jr.

                          Ward 5 Councilmember

                          John A. Wilson Building
                          1350 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
                          Washington, D.C. 20004

                           

                          DOMESTIC JOBS OUTWEIGH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE NEEDS

                           

                           

                          Salutation Councilman Thomas, Jr.:

                           

                                   Although I am quite perturbed by the constant and steadfast approach of the media and elected officials to use Afrikan-American males as the Willie Horton's of decadent fatherhood, I will formulate my counter-claims in the most tactful manner.

                                   Whenever the U.S. Government or any other entity in this country, especially of a universally goal seeking endeavor, plots a course for success, the initial protocol is a budget. Just as when the govt. decided they needed to stagnate and benefit from the [unproductive] female dominated Welfare system, they designed "Welfare to Work (W2W)." Even though the govt. and corporate America (media included) are trying to (as they say) accomplish a goal of fathering, un-fathered children/families; the issue of a funding is ridiculously invisible.

                                   By no means Mr. Thomas, Jr. is this to say males have to be paid to fulfill their rightful and Godly duties as nurturing fathers, but it is to say, they can't be systematically and institutionally attacked and impoverished, while at the same time be told to be "perfect," in spite of.

                                   It's like being told to fulfill an obligation of interest, without being given any supplies, tools, food, Mission Statement, revenue or business plan. Just as W2W, wars, domestic programs, foreign policies, and education takes adequate and proper funding, so shall the goal of: Childhood to Fatherhood, I'll call it. Since so many people want to complain that the men are being like children, by not fulfilling their fatherly duties. Still, I disagree, with great explanations—not excuses. (*Besides, where are the "Domestic Murder" Clinics for the suburbs/whites?)

                                   March 5, 2007 on the Senate Hearing floor could be recognized as a date of relief and exoneration for the Afirkan-American male, but it went silently into the past. This was the date in which the U.S. Senate recognized they weren't hiring and treating the A-A male, as they had all the other males of this nation (except the Native "Indians"), who they expected to be productive fathers. The Senate definitively and openly recognized they were not hiring Blackmen in this nation, as they were they should. Still, no monetary requisition followed.

                           

                          ("The thrust of social policy affecting poor families during the past 10 years has been to encourage single mothers to work, and if they do, give them more support –and give them less if they don't. BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING to help support the very low-income FATHERS to get by or to encourage them to work, and there hasn't been much to encourage them to be involved with their children...")                                                      

                                                                                                                                   --Bruce Meyer, Univ. Chicago

                           

                                   If you'll recall, the U. S. Federal employment system was dominated by the "minority" of Blackmen, while the Blackfemales were the homebuilders. Suffice it to say, your governmental body saw the heresy in replacing the majority of Blackmen, with the women. Subsequently, the prison industrial-complex and Crack Cocaine had also made their dynamic impacts on the "projects," Black Families, male employment downfall. Corporate America decided it could receive a better return with Blackmen incarcerated, rather than employed.

                                   Consequently, before you keep standing before hordes of primarily, "minority" women, and wooing them with they deserve help in raising their children, pray that none of them has the audacity to challenge you on where are the jobs for their males. If one does, will you tell her the international communities needed them more than their men? Will you tell them that globalized employment with U.S. jobs produces better living conditions for them?  

                                   A third "*domestic violence (DV) force," or clinic is not as needed in the Urban, systematically impoverished communities, as jobs for the males. The Senate said it; then males have been hollering it. Even Godly females have also been acknowledging this crippling act of governmental reformation, gone array.

                                   While the residents where the third DV clinic may be built are concerned with the "drama" the families may bring with them, I am more concerned with the advent of the clinic, itself. Having seen the inside of the DV clinics and who runs them, I can fairly say, they mean the families and men in particular, no good. There are a number of them headed by misandrist-minded females, immorsexuals (lesbians) targeting the vulnerable females intimately, and to place Restraining Orders, and trumpted-up charges on the already oppressed males.

                                   With the information you've already been given, and admitting the govt.'s role in the lower-income neighborhoods, where are the Employment Clinics? Shouldn't you be prophesying for clinics of 'bringing the jobs home'; reintroducing time served offenders back into the communal/ workplace; making males financially complete—while not letting the govt.'s culpability off the hook? Quite as it's kept, more violence is transferred between lesbian relationships, than Heterosexual ones. (DV Clinics: systematically placed like Abortion Clinics; to kill?)

                                   The Rev/Dr MLKJ always spoke of man 'doing the best with what he had,' and it was in an employment sense. His sermon about pride in what you do was founded in making any type of job one does, admirable. Without the base, or foundation of a quality source of income keeping him whole, the underprivileged and maligned male is destined and doomed to rather be desperate and dangerous, rather than fulfilled and fatherly complete.

                                   Personally Councilman, I wouldn't be disturbed if the next step would be to move the majority of purposely unemployed Blackmales, to "Indian" Reservations? Aren't they the only people more profiled, ["Mentacide"] addicted, and successfully limited than A-A's?   

                                  

                          "IT CAN BE ARGUED THAT THE THREE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS FOR HEALTH ARE JOBS, JOBS, AND JOBS...THERE IS LITTLE QUESTION THAT EMPLOYMENT IS A POWERFUL PREVENTIVE HEALTH INTERVENTION, IN TERMS OF BOTH INDIVIDUAL AND COMMUNITY HEALTH STATUS..."       

                                                                                                                                             ---Bernard J. Turnock, Public Health, 2nd ed.

                           

                                   Finalizing my point, please make note of one of the U.S.'s last bastions of slavocracy: Security personnel; who are going ignored by the govt.'s lower levels. An article by Dr. Anthony A. Samad, PhD entitled Being True to King's Fight: Today's Security Officers are Yesterdays Sanitation Workers Between the Lines (1/17/2008), emphasizes the correlation between "jim crow" in the North and South. In unison with the govt. is the National Labor Relations Board. Relatively, the NLRB hasn't been given a new directive or guideline from Congress since 1959. Thereby, promoting the impoverishing sustenance of society's underprivileged Blacks.

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                            Reply#20 - Sat Feb 7, 2009 1:38 AM EST
                            {"commentId":5233274,"authorDomain":"gjoireman"}

                            Why only telling stories about black fathers? A father can be physically present but so emotionally absent that it doesn't matter. My father was such an individual. I have described hiim as sperm doner.

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                            Reply#21 - Sat Feb 7, 2009 8:29 AM EST
                            {"commentId":5234277,"authorDomain":"jpfoxchase"}

                            The low income woman who becomes a mother obtains a career from the "Welfare State", and the monolith of feminism is also a main player within this game; which of course is a engineered corollary which increases the power and breadth of those continually expanding institutions. The woman on Welfare cannot obtain this same type of security, wealth and safety from any poor American male regardless of race. This system viscously makes a class of men, POOR men mostly 'marginal' or 'unmarketable' for marriage or to provide security for either their woman or child at the outset—and poor men have no hopes of competing with this national Welfare system. The woman, however; is guaranteed these things, especially the security through the Matriarchal welfare system. So she substitutes the benefits of the Welfare State as the functionary husband of her household, the state now becomes her husband. Of course, the male has been usurped and he doesn't even know it, and has no say upon this illegal usurpation and intrusion into his home, in his supposed castle. The female marries the state, as the state now provides her with benefits and security most males cannot counter. No Black male; nor can many White or any other males, provide as well, with as much security and safety as Welfare does. This of course, is a complete conversion of our system of governance and American society itself, but those within the system do not care—because providing these things is "their daily bread."

                            Young Black Males have been under direct economic attack by their new Slave Master, the Welfare State "to Provide" for this Welfare institution which is in turn destroying him. He has been immediately undermined, as his authority does not reign supreme, the court (Welfare State) will direct him, his life, and his children even against his most basic will or authority. The courts in essence, have now become the White master. At every opportunity he will be undermined, enslaved, his life profits drained from him. He like other males will obediently become a slave. He has no idea what is happening to him, for on the one hand, the Black Male, who is proud and willing to care for his progeny, tries to enjoin in his own demise to show he cares for his own children. He provides for "Child Support" as long as he can, but usually is quickly destroyed by the system (an intentional by-product of this system). Thereby, he is undermined by the engineered Sophistry of "The Best Interest of the Child", the "Feminist Village" demands that he destroy himself by direct financial subsidization of his own destruction. This sophistry as in the Master Model of the Antebellum south, accrues huge profits to the Welfare State. The Black Woman along with the Welfare State essentially 'split' the wealth of the Black man whom is trying to do the best thing, but is undermined by his own planned failure by this system. In fact, District Attorney's around the country, try and push as many undeserving, and problematic cases onto welfare as they can, for they fully understand as well as others within the system 'understand,' that this is where their "daily bread" comes from:

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                            Reply#22 - Sat Feb 7, 2009 10:18 AM EST
                            {"commentId":5254746,"authorDomain":"troublet"}

                            wow!!! say amen, say amen and say amen again. dead on.

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                              #22.1 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 10:11 PM EST
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                              {"commentId":5236247,"authorDomain":"bringmykidshome"}

                              If the media wants to report the problems of society the Family and Supreme Courts selling justice and deying due process is the place to start. Many families been destroy and many children been without mom or dad just because the "whores" of the court and the forensic expert aka "medical prostitutes" are selling their services.

                              I know my ex bought his way to get a "fit parent" title and now my children are been sexually exploited, as pornography images of my child appear online, has been violated and to cope with the pain my child is on drugs and alcohol. Clearly, the fit parent who bought the title can't not give my children what he lacks.

                              The authorities have refused to arrest the criminals who have engaged in child endangerment, fraud, forgery, perjury, collusion utilizing a court of law.

                              Many stories like this one, yet not a single reporter in site....

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                              Reply#24 - Sat Feb 7, 2009 12:54 PM EST
                              {"commentId":5252137,"authorDomain":"ltipton68"}
                              Lorraine-691974Deleted
                              {"commentId":5254835,"authorDomain":"troublet"}

                              i don't know about you but if my child was seen in pornographic images i would do anything, and i repeat anything, to end the exploitation of my child. get yourself together and do something about it.

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                                #24.2 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 10:20 PM EST
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                                {"commentId":5236433,"authorDomain":"jpfoxchase"}

                                This of course is classical paradox of "The Best Interests of the Child" in conjunction with the Black Male being economically and socially obliterated is the classical modus operandi of the Modern Welfare State, which in fact, is the exact model of the Slavery model of the pre-Civil War Antebellum south.

                                In both cases, the Black male is having his wealth stolen from him, undermining his chances of success, which can ONLY be gained through the institutionalization of a two parent household.

                                The final result? Within a few short years over 90 percent of them lose all contact with their children—thereby, maintaining the generational Welfare cycle.

                                The final result? Children are destroyed: society no longer has strong resilient families (by intended design) and thereby; are burdened to support an ever burgeoning Welfare 'underclass.' This model has now leaked over into all within our society; White, Black, Asian, Hispanic: no nationality, no economic class, no nation will be able to stand in the way of this devolution once it takes root.

                                This condition has been folded over against the Black Society and the complete American Society as a whole.

                                What the Black Society has suffered through via the seemingly inspirational offering of the Modern Welfare state, is in fact, engineered enslavement, but on a vastly greater scale, spanning generations, and crossing all ethnic and race barriers within America.

                                In this regards, we are all being 'equalized' into slavery.

                                Hillary's Village, and her multiculturalist elite have been building a slave-class society through welfare, so that they can profit from the destruction which 'should' go to the home and family, and then 'should' be absorbed by the local communities throughout America.

                                Instead, by this Welfare State cancer—Fathers wealth is immediately compromised at his paycheck. It never starts up the food chain which would help to enrich so many individuals from the bottom up. They demand that it 'trickle' back down through Welfare from the top down, by subsidy and through 'entitlement's' and 'grants.' It is factually, a transfer of the males wealth to the Feminist "Village" and the Government's supporting infrastructure.

                                What this has done to the Black Society in America has devastated them categorically across every social marker across the United States.

                                The Black male is exponentially more probable to suffer gun use, drug use, teenage pregnancy, suicide, high school drop-out rates, imprisonment…really…the list is to long to categorize here. This has been a planned war against the lower classes of the Blacks, in favor of the white and elite classes of the United States.

                                It was a planned way to engineer their demise, and to control their population (or any population) by offering them the 'salvation' through the addiction of Welfare.

                                Yet, like everyone else, the Black male and community do not recognize the problem, they know they are slowly sinking; yet they too, look up and blame the sails instead of the gaping hole in their hull for sinking their ship. It isn't the sails: it's feminism destroying and feeding off of these communities.

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                                Reply#25 - Sat Feb 7, 2009 1:06 PM EST
                                {"commentId":5254877,"authorDomain":"troublet"}

                                now you are getting specifically to the ultimate point. amen again!!!

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                                  #25.1 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 10:23 PM EST
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                                  {"commentId":5236887,"authorDomain":"foxfamily238"}

                                  85% of cases, it is not the father; but the mother that is behind the father not being there.

                                  Let me explain this clearly:

                                  A BIG reason why a large amount of "fathers" are not "there" is NOT because of the father's choice.

                                  Even though I'm happily remarried with the most beautiful family, I have an ex-wife, and a beautiful daughter; of whom it's going on to be a ridiculous number of years that I've held in my arms. Why? Not by my choice. It's the mother's. Period.

                                  America is flat out CURSED by the unbelievably biased circus court and state system that has literally defaulted (about 95%) to always siding with the mother, on almost every issue imaginable!

                                  There does seem to be a growing awareness about the role and importance of the father having a say in anything, but it is still wickedly unbalanced; always with the mother as default for decisions.

                                  I lost my 3 1/2 year old "daddy's girl" to her mother and the cookie court system, simply because of flat out lies that the mother said. It was even proven to be completely false and unfounded, but did that matter? Not a bit. I had no money for proper representation, devestated to the point of my life being shattered, and she had the entire state of CA behind her, along with monetary support from ignorant, caliced-hearted supporters.

                                  Don't buy into the false theory that dads or fathers do not want to be dads or fathers. In more cases than not, it's because the mother has made it IMPOSSIBLE for the father to be there and a normal part of the parental process, all the while demanding monetary support for her abusive actions. Absolutely true. Period.

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                                  Reply#26 - Sat Feb 7, 2009 1:40 PM EST
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                                  85% excuses found to blame the mother.... Blame the Family Court instead leaving children without good protective parents which includes MOM AND DAD. The only thing that matters in the court is who has the most money the screw the other parent and how junk science like PAS is been use for sexually, physically and mentally abuse a child... as PAS stands for Parental Abusive Syndrome...

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                                  #26.1 - Sat Feb 7, 2009 1:54 PM EST
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                                  Mike Fox, I think its sad that you blame all women for the bad example of one. Most men don't fight for their kids like they should. You should be willing to give up everything you have for your kids. Often men divorce or leave the women and this includes the children as well. I have a three year old son and he is part of a larger family of two strong grand fathers (my dad and his fathers dad) and my brothers. if his fathers decides to leave it won't be because of me or my lack of support but he has to do what is necessary for his son. You need to fight this woman to the end and not settle for a new family without your first child!

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                                    #26.2 - Sun Feb 8, 2009 8:49 PM EST
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